Which aspect of timepieces do you love the most? Which piece demonstrates this best?

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MarkJennings

Discussion Starter · Apr 9, 2013

For me, it's the mechanical function aspect- like how watches used to be important tools for professionals.
And this functionality is best displayed by my new BR02:

I also love the prestige of a good piece.

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Wombat

· #2 · Apr 15, 2013

Moved this from the community form to the General Discussion Forum as the CF is for non watch related posts.

billybop

· #3 · Apr 15, 2013 (Edited)

I like or "love" a timepiece that keeps not only accurate time but is also stable. That is, if a watch is 2 seconds fast one day it will continue to gain 2 seconds EVERY day.
I've heard this said before and I'll reiterate it; ETA movements like the 2824 when adjusted or regulated might keep stable time for several months or up to a year but then have a tendency to go out of whack.
Where as an in house like the cal 3135 once adjusted will stay that way for years up to the next servicing.

MarkJennings

Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 16, 2013

Yes, consistency is often more highly valued than accuracy.
Great insight about in-house vs. ETA movement- thanks!

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MarkJennings

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 16, 2013

I love timepieces the same way I always loved cars- they are mechanical marvels full of design, engineering, style, cool materials, heritage and prestige.
My preference has always been sporty and utility pieces such as divers, racing chronographs, and pilot pieces.
I have a nice collection already, but the ultimate goal is...Panerai.

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ulackfocus

· #6 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

billybop said:
I've heard this said before and I'll reiterate it; ETA movements like the 2824 when adjusted or regulated might keep stable time for several months or up to a year but then have a tendency to go out of whack.
Where as an in house like the cal 3135 once adjusted will stay that way for years up to the next servicing.

See below - and you won't like it.

MarkJennings said:
Yes, consistency is often more highly valued than accuracy.
Great insight about in-house vs. ETA movement- thanks!

It's not an insight - he's repeating hearsay. I've owned MANY watches powered by ETA movements and ALL of them were consistent performers for YEARS. They were some of the most accurate movements I have ever owned. I had a Daniel Jean Richard with a 2824 base that gained an average of 1.5 seconds a day with no wider than a 1 second variance for almost 3 years before I sold it. I owned a Tiffany's Mark Coupe that was regulated to be crazy consistent (click HERE and use the links in the beginning of the post to read all 3 articles). My IWC Portofino was so consistent the timing machine read out looked like a dead man's cardiograph.

I'm calling on billybop to prove that statement because it's bull. I will NOT have the same rampant speculation / rumor based argument crap that goes on at WUS happen here. If you state something like that, you'd BETTER be able to back it up with FACTS. Reiterate nothing as fact that isn't known to be fact. What is true about ETA calibers is they're reliable, well designed, easy to service, and accurate movements that have been the industry benchmark for decades.

BTW Mark - your Bell & Ross that you're so enamored with? Do you know what's powering it? (that's a trick question :sneaky2

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LouS

· #7 · Apr 16, 2013

MarkJennings said:
For me, it's the mechanical function aspect- like how watches used to be important tools for professionals.
And this functionality is best displayed by my new BR02:

How ironic that you should cast B&R in this role. No B&R was ever an important tool for any professional (e.g. pilot, race or rally driver, diver, etc), none of their watches ever proved themselves historically in any type of practical, tool-watch role, and their "heritage" and "functionality" is a marketing invention. B&R has impressed me only as a well-conceived, consistent and thorough marketing exercise, the success of which is documented by the association that you make above.

billybop

· #8 · Apr 16, 2013

ulackfocus said:
See below - and you won't like it.

It's not an insight - he's repeating hearsay. I've owned MANY watches powered by ETA movements and ALL of them were consistent performers for YEARS. They were some of the most accurate movements I have ever owned. I had a Daniel Jean Richard with a 2824 base that gained an average of 1.5 seconds a day with no wider than a 1 second variance for almost 3 years before I sold it. I owned a Tiffany's Mark Coupe that was regulated to be crazy consistent (click HERE and use the links in the beginning of the post to read all 3 articles). My IWC Portofino was so consistent the timing machine read out looked like a dead man's cardiograph.

I'm calling on billybop to prove that statement because it's bull. I will NOT have the same rampant speculation / rumor based argument crap that goes on at WUS happen here. If you state something like that, you'd BETTER be able to back it up with FACTS. Reiterate nothing as fact that isn't known to be fact. What is true about ETA calibers is they're reliable, well designed, easy to service, and accurate movements that have been the industry benchmark for decades.

BTW Mark - your Bell & Ross that you're so enamored with? Do you know what's powering it? (that's a trick question :sneaky2

Nope, no facts. I know next to nothing about stats. I'm only referring to my own personal experience.
I'm not a watch maker, I can't "prove" anything and I don't know s**t.
From reading your other posts about ETA's I know you're biased and that's NOT my problem.
And, about WUS since you bring it up, at least I wasn't BANNED from WUS.

~tc~

· #9 · Apr 16, 2013

I think that if anything it has more to do with the regulating method than "in house" vs "ETA"

(And in terms of mass production, the 3135 probably sees less human hands than an off the shelf 2824)

ulackfocus

· #10 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

billybop said:
From reading your other posts about ETA's I know you're biased and that's NOT my problem.

I have no bias for or against ETA, I just know that they make a good product. I have no time or patience for ill informed people make bull**** claims without any evidence to back it up - like you just admitted to. That's the kind of horse manore that goes on at other places - not here, or you get called on the carpet for it. As Mark / 124Spider says about Watch Talk Forums: "I like it here because the signal to noise ratio is much better". Maybe we should invite lysanderXIII to view your post and see what he says since he's still welcome at WUS and people respect him. I'd wager he'd call you out on it too.

billybop said:
And, about WUS since you bring it up, at least I wasn't BANNED from WUS.

Yes, and you know why I was? For calling out asonine posters who make unsupported statements like you just did. One thing led to another and I finally cursed out Ernie privately because he's more interested in the keeping the members who buy the sponsor's latest boutique diver which keeps the sponsors paying him than he is in stopping the perpetual idiocy. Take a look at the list of banned members and see how much they used to contribute to WUS before they couldn't put up with the invasion of stupidity. Here's another post of Mark's that pretty much sums up the disdain many long time collectors have for WUS:

http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/thread63793-4.html

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astrosfan

· #11 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

Thanks Dennis, for speaking up here. We all have preferences (some based on anecdotal experiences), but we shouldn't allow those biases to be delivered as the gospel truth. Otherwise, this forum will devolve into a world of wives tales & superstition, neither of which have any value.

Aquaaiea

· #12 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

Sometimes Enthusiasm blinds the true facts and we blurt out our Emotions more than what's fact. I learn a lot everyday from this Forum and do love peoples Passion at the same time understand that accurate knowledge is our goal. That being said I am a novice collector amongst many of you who are much more devoted than I am but yet I feel I'm amongst encouraging friends without feeling intimidated for being at level 1.(note: at the time of this posting I am guilty of PWI so I hope I did not offend Anyone!) so back to the question, I absolutely love the heart Beat of a watch or clock. The rhythm and the ping is music to my years minus the quartz.

billybop

· #13 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

Ulack, can I call you Ulack?
First of all, I admire you for not deleting or changing my post.
I'm just a simple man and this vitriol snipping is way out of my league. I concede to the better and informed man. I was talking out of my arse again.

When I first moved to Thailand I was all tense and stressed out and took things way too seriously.
I went to Bangkok bank to do some business and things didn't go exactly like I would have liked, not like a some US bank. I got all mad and huffy.
Well, the bank officer lady laughed and said, "Chill out, this is Thailand'. It took a few years but now I feel more Thai than American and things don't get to me so much.

I'll tell you what, If you're around Bangkok sometime, let me know. I'll take you out to do the town. On Google look up (billybop edited out). We can start there
and I guarantee this hostility you exhibit will just puff, vanish.
Take care, Billybop

ulackfocus

· #14 · Apr 16, 2013

Billy, call it anything you like - hostility, vitriol, whatever makes you feel more empowered - I will not allow Watch Talk Forums to devolve into a place where fanboy logic and half baked "facts" rule. That's what WatchuSeek is for now. Say what you wish about me, but take that hearsay crap about any brand back to WUS because there's no place for it on WTF.

billybop

· #15 · Apr 16, 2013

ulackfocus said:
Billy, call it anything you like - hostility, vitriol, whatever makes you feel more empowered - I will not allow Watch Talk Forums to devolve into a place where fanboy logic and half baked "facts" rule. That's what WatchuSeek is for now. Say what you wish about me, but take that hearsay crap about any brand back to WUS because there's no place for it on WTF.

OK, got it. I respect your views.
But the thing is, I was not stating what I said about ETA movements was anything other than my own opinion. What's so wrong with that?
If I had to back up everything I ever said with proven facts, well, I'm nonplussed.
Anyway, I respect where you're coming from and I'll just end off here.
Hope to see you around?

ulackfocus

· #16 · Apr 16, 2013

Yes, everyone is still welcome here. No threats of banning unless serious offenses occur. It's like a family - we have disagreements and we hash them out.

MarkJennings

Discussion Starter · #17 · Apr 16, 2013

Every single watch I own has ETA movement so I obviously have nothing against them.
But I would still like to own a Rolex or Blancpain or something in-house one day.
Nothing wrong in admiring them.

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billybop

· #18 · Apr 16, 2013 (Edited)

billybop said:
I like or "love" a timepiece that keeps not only accurate time but is also stable. That is, if a watch is 2 seconds fast one day it will continue to gain 2 seconds EVERY day.
I've heard this said before and I'll reiterate it; ETA movements like the 2824 when adjusted or regulated might keep stable time for several months or up to a year but then have a tendency to go out of whack.
Where as an in house like the cal 3135 once adjusted will stay that way for years up to the next servicing.

"Ulack". Reading back on this I can understand your point. I think the first sentence is OK but the rest I did come off like you mentioned half baked and hearsay is NOT fact.

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Grumpyguy

· #19 · Apr 16, 2013

1. The mechanical movement. Simply amazing how accurate they can be.
2. Looks of course

a1watch

· #20 · Apr 16, 2013

What I like most about watches is they tell time....

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