I am curious to see if any of you experienced watch collectors have information on the Val-Swiss automatic movements. While I'm sure they aren't Top Of The Line, I would be interested because of the price point. Swiss Legend has started using this movement in their Neptune line, started selling last night at $169.00 with a watch winder included. I would love to get some automatic movements in my collection and this would be a good way to start, I'm hoping to work my way up to the 7750's of the world. Looking online I get comments from that other forum (you know, the one that every other word in the postings is a cuss word and any watch under $25,000.00 is a piece of S--T). Any info would be appreciated.