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Steinhart has had a good reputation for making solid watches and looking at their website and seeing their current offerings personally
I call them "lookalikes".. although I will say the Military Vintage Sub lookalikes are pretty attractive and I have no desire to spend
huge amounts of money on the real Rolex of that era and style, but I do like the way they look. I can't imagine a Rolex owner feeling "threatened" by the quality but maybe irritated at the copycat actions of these companies exploiting patent expirations or whatever allows them to copy a look this closely. but then again we're talking about guys on forums, I know many Rolex owners that probably have never been to a forum or care that someone copies a Rolex look.... they have what they want.

I didn't realize they made these Vintage Mil lookalikes and now I'm interested in one and it won't bother me at all to keep a Steinhart
in the watchbox with a Sub, SD and a YM.. heck, I have Invictas and Seikos already. enjoy what you like and buy.

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I'm in the same boat with family and finances as the OP -- and I'm currently planning to get a Steinhart for myself as a retirement gift in June of 2016.

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See, for many of us, $500 is a LOT of money to pay for a watch. If I do buy it, it will be the most expensive, and probably highest quality, watch I have ever owned.
 

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I've had my Ocean 1 for a week and I am not disappointed. Black bezel without the ceramic, and got it delivered to my door for about $350. This is a very high quality watch. Does it match my Rolly? No. But I can definitely tell you that although the Sub costs $7500 more, it doesn't possess $7500 more in quality (that's subjective, I know). I think I saw it put like this recently: The Steinhart costs $400 and feels like a $1000 watch, whereas the Sub costs $8K and feels like a $2000 watch. That's more or less how I see it.
 

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I'm confused, you did buy a Sub?^^^:confused1:

like you said, subjective. words like value and quality are hard for anyone person to quantify for others when it comes
to what you want, what you like, and what you feel you can comfortably afford. is a Rolex Sub worth $8K new? not to me,
does it cost that much more to produce than a Steinhart or an Invicta? I wouldn't think so, but it's hard to compare and decide what a watch is worth by "feeling" of it...that doesn't tell the entire story, I've got low end Seiko Diver's watch that "feels" like a $1K watch to me and has made at least 500 dives without failure but comparing bracelets the one on my 14060M Submariner felt really cheap but it's SS composition is superior for the purpose for which it was designed and it's never failed or even shown any kind of issue.

if the value it not there for one person, doesn't mean it isn't there for someone else.
 

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I've been perusing Steinhart's website and their products I have come to this conclusion; they make excellent Rolex look-alikes. They are a German company, and the watches have Swiss movements.

Are they a threat to the Rolex brand? Probably not to the high-end consumer, but to the middle/low end, yes, they are, and there are a lot more middle/low end consumers than high end consumers.
 

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:001_unsure: And, "Swiss made in Jura"?
I've been perusing Steinhart's website and their products I have come to this conclusion; they make excellent Rolex look-alikes. They are a German company, and the watches have Swiss movements.

Are they a threat to the Rolex brand? Probably not to the high-end consumer, but to the middle/low end, yes, they are, and there are a lot more middle/low end consumers than high end consumers.
 

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I'm confused, you did buy a Sub?^^^:confused1:

like you said, subjective. words like value and quality are hard for anyone person to quantify for others when it comes
to what you want, what you like, and what you feel you can comfortably afford. is a Rolex Sub worth $8K new? not to me, does it cost that much more to produce than a Steinhart or an Invicta? I wouldn't think so, but it's hard to compare and decide what a watch is worth by "feeling" of it...that doesn't tell the entire story, I've got low end Seiko Diver's watch that "feels" like a $1K watch to me and has made at least 500 dives without failure but comparing bracelets the one on my 14060M Submariner felt really cheap but it's SS composition is superior for the purpose for which it was designed and it's never failed or even shown any kind of issue.

if the value it not there for one person, doesn't mean it isn't there for someone else.
Sorry. My previous Sub is long-gone. I bought it on the cheap from a guy who was strapped for cash, and I turned it into a motorcycle a while ago. *poof* :laugh:

Yes, it's all very subjective. To me, I don't think a Rolex Sub is worth $8K, but I might pull the trigger on one for $2K. -Not to impugn anyone who values an expensive watch. I always try to keep in mind that for every guy that I might think is crazy for buying an $8K watch, there are probably 500 people who think I'm certifiably bat-sheit crazy for owning almost 80 watches. If I had $8K in my hand to spend on watches, I'd walk away with 10 or 20 watches, but that's just me. My father never owned a watch in his life for which he paid more than $25 so I kept my little secret well under wraps at dinnertime until he passed away last year. He left me his last watch; a cheap Timex quartz for which he probably paid less than $10 at WalMart. He valued watches as tools, not works of art or 'timepieces.'

I own a large telescope and I climb mountains: Two hobbies for which I catch a lot of heat. My brother is a golf nut, and owns a $3K set of golf clubs, and when we go to the course, I accompany him with my Generic clubs I bought for $300. As you said, it's all about what you value. I don't sweat anyone else's choices.
 

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Then, aren't they really Swiss? Kinda like Eberhard, mostly the first words out of a customers mouth, "are they
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Yes. Jura is a "canton" in central Switzerland, like a county, not a city per say. The capital of Jura is Delemont (from Wiki).

Is a Swiss movement really any better than a Japanese movement? Russian? German? Even Chinese? I don't own any Swiss movements, but from what I can see on the interwebs, and from what I have read in opinions and reviews, they are all made and operate basically the same way. Some are a lot prettier to look at, that's for sure.
 

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Well, the Swiss movement in my Lucien Piccard, wearing it now, has been going strong for 53+ years. I can
safely say that your not gonna come close to that with a Chinese movement, no matter how well you take care
of it. Soon car parts will come from China and that's gonna ge interesting, like pet food and dry wall.
Yes. Jura is a "canton" in central Switzerland, like a county, not a city per say. The capital of Jura is Delemont (from Wiki).

Is a Swiss movement really any better than a Japanese movement? Russian? German? Even Chinese? I don't own any Swiss movements, but from what I can see on the interwebs, and from what I have read in opinions and reviews, they are all made and operate basically the same way. Some are a lot prettier to look at, that's for sure.
 

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Well, the Swiss movement in my Lucien Piccard, wearing it now, has been going strong for 53+ years. I can
safely say that your not gonna come close to that with a Chinese movement, no matter how well you take care
of it. Soon car parts will come from China and that's gonna ge interesting, like pet food and dry wall.
That's not what I have been hearing from collectors of quality Chinese watches. But, hey, who knows?
 

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^^ me too, I have a C8 and been meaning to do a little photography through it.. finding time and it's getting chillier out.
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With a wedge and a decent imager and software, that C8 would be GREAT for imaging objects like M31, M42 and nearby NGCs. A friend of mine got a great pic of M104 with a C8 with an exposure of a little over an hour, if I remember correctly.
 

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That's not what I have been hearing from collectors of quality Chinese watches. But, hey, who knows?
IMHO, A lot of that is due to the Lucien Piccards of 50 years ago were of much better quality than the current line is....just like old Invicta watches were really good Swiss watches, instead of today's stuff.
LP might not even be owned by the same company as it was from back then.
 
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