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INVICTA RESERVE PRO DIVER

For years, Eyal Lalo has been telling us Invicta dive watches are as good as brands like Rolex and Omega that sell five or 10 times more than his offerings. But despite his enthusiasim – and Invicta fans’ own self-delusion – his Pro Divers ain’t all that.

Sure they’re good values – customer service issues aside – and solid timepieces. At their price point, Invictas offer exceptional fit and finish and attention to detail. But let’s be honest, it’s relative fit and finish and attention to detail. It was only exceptional compared to other watches in the same price category.

Even in The Lalo’s wildest dreams, Invicta’s Japanese Pro Divers or the upgraded 99xx Swiss Movement line never came close to meeting the standards set by luxury pieces. Even the new Swiss Made Pro Divers fell well short of that mark.

Until the Reserve Collection was created.

The Reserve Pro Divers are the timepiece The Lalo insists he’s been building since he launched the company a bit more than a decade ago. Finally, Invicta watches offer Superluminova, luxury class Swiss fit and finish, screw-fastened bracelets and an honest air of quality – not just wishful thinking.

The Watch



Model 4827 Meteorite Dial Pro Diver, Swiss Made; 44 mm case; sapphire crystal front and back; 3x magnifier Cyclops lens; individually screwed in case back; 500 meter water resistance; screw down crown; push-button dual deployant bracelet held together with screws; COSC certified Sellita SW-200 (ETA 2824-2 clone) with date at 3 o’clock.


The Review





After five solid days riding my wrist, I’ve come to appreciate the Reserve Pro Diver line.
The watch is accurate (still hasn’t lost or gained an entire minute) and comfortable - for a massive chunk of steel.

At 44 mm, it doesn’t eat my wrist or even feel that way. But over the course of time, I have noticed its extreme weight. Seriously heavy! Much, much heavier than, say, a 9937 Swiss Movement Pro Diver. The bracelet is thicker and wider, so is the case.

The size isn’t exactly annoying (remember I prefer much smaller watches), but it limits its use. Twice this week, I had to leave the button on my dress shirt open because it was too big to fit under the cuff. If I wasn’t testing the watch, it would’ve been exiled to the watch case, pronto.


Reserve Diver outside - Grovana diver inside




Reserve Diver outside - Tudor Submariner inside



So while the Meteorite Dial Pro Diver is more dressy than a standard offering, it is a tool watch with Uptown Pretensions. The high polish finish is very well done, the bezel is lacquered to give it a finished look. The Coin Edge is crisp. The numbers perfect.

And the dial itself is perfection, too, and easy to read at a glance. I’m a sucker for meteorite, which has a rich, exotic look. All the hour markers are hand applied. The logos are perfectly centered (the fact that this is even an issue on a $1,000 watch speaks volumes about Invicta’s quality control woes). The lume is white and bright, though still not in Seiko’s class. Or Omega’s for that matter. But the lume is far superior to other Invicta offerings – and my Grovana diver.

Surprisingly, I don’t consider this particular Invicta diver a Rolex Submariner homage. While it sports classic Mercedes hands (as do most in this category), the minute hand and hour indexes are different enough to set the Reserve Diver apart. But what really separates it from Rolex (or Tudor), it the massive open face of the watch – and it’s sheer size. There is no way you’d ever look at this Hulk and mistake it for a Sub. Even a Sub on steroids. That’s a big plus for me.

In terms of fit and finish, this is the nicest Invicta I’ve ever owned – and I’ve had four dozen or more at all different price ranges. It is light years beyond my Swiss Made 2014 Invicta Dress Diver. It makes the 2014 look exactly like what it is – a very nice $300 watch.





The Reserve rivals my Tudor Submariner and, frankly, may even surpass it. Though the Tudor is nearly 20 years old and that should be expected. The Omega Bond Seamaster holds a very slight edge in quality of construction. Which is saying a mouthful for any Invicta product. But both the Tudor and the Omega have a seamless quality which makes the Reserve seem like a parts-bin watch, which I suspect it is – at least to some respect.


Note the "sharp" lugs on the 2006 Watch of the Year



The case seems nearly identical to the 2006 Swiss Made Diamond Dial Pro Diver voted the Invicta Forum’s 2006 Watch of the Year. The “sharp” lugs are very similar. I prefer a smoother finish – like on the Omega. I have rejected TAGs and other watches because the lugs are too “sharp” or “edgy.”

Both the Tudor and the Omega have case backs with better finishing. But the Invicta is very nicely done, with crisp, deep engraving, an individual watch serial number and a solid, rugged I-can-take-anything-you-dish-out feel. I’m most impressed since this case back seems to have evolved from some of the better limited edition non-display backs offered on earlier models. A particular Carbon Fiber dial offering leaps to mind.




The movement is finished in a gold tone offset by a a gunmetal rotor with Invicta cut out of the metal. It’s very handsome. I have some concerns about the reliability of the SW-200 movement, since Invicta has been plagued with crown issues. I also have some concerns about the bracelet, which is very nicely made and highly detailed. I’ve already had to tighten two screws, which were backing out – including the screw that attaches the bracelet to the case. (Again, this is a recurring Invicta issue. The 9937 was notorious for losing case screws).

CONCLUSIONS

The Reserve Collection Pro Diver is a serious and significant step up from Invicta’s regular Pro Diver line. The watch shown here was slightly less than $1,000. Non-meteorite dial versions can be had under $700. It’s too steep a premium for the meteorite dial! But I love it. And am willing to pay. Even though it’s stupid.

At $700 , Invicta’s Reserve Diver finally provides an viable alternative to a used Omega Seamaster Professional or Tudor Submariner, both of which sell for $1,000 or more. Since I own them all – and wouldn’t part with any of them (yet) – I can’t suggest which offers the best value. But for the first time ever, I can say you could choose Invicta – and not be nuts.
 

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Whew! For the first few sentences there, I thought this was going to be another unabashed bash! I'm very surprised at your review, and it is thorough and nicely done. Thank you for offering such a fine testament to Invicta's ability to sometimes get things right. Somehow, this review coming from you of all people gives me renewed hope that Invicta can produce a high quality watch. Thanks for the great review and photos. I hope that now you see what Eyal is capable of, you go back in time a couple of years and try to find a SubAqua Noma II. Wear that for a week or so and see what you think. I know you like to stay around 40mm, and the SAII is huge. 21mm thick with two 7mm thick crystals, but I would love to hear your take on one. Thanks again for the review.
 

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I agree that Invicta is ,indeed, capable of coming up with a winner.The problem is that it's still a "crapshoot"!

A well made Invicta is hard to argue with but so many fall through the cracks of being outsourced to a company with little or no QC added to Invictas lack of CS it makes one wonder what they might be getting.
If only Invicta would issue a ":full disclosure: "statement and tell us where and how they move these watches to market they would get more of "our business"
 

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This is so, sick you can't make it up. Not a half-hour after I finished this review, I went to recheck and tighten the screws on my Invicta case - and one is missing. Just fell out!

[So now I'm wondering, send the darn thing back to TV land - or try and get the part from Invicta. Good luck, right! I feel like such a jerk. I knew better than to put myself in this no-win situation.[/COLOR]
 

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This is so, sick you can't make it up. Not a half-hour after I finished this review, I went to recheck and tighten the screws on my Invicta case - and one is missing. Just fell out!

[So now I'm wondering, send the darn thing back to TV land - or try and get the part from Invicta. Good luck, right! I feel like such a jerk. I knew better than to put myself in this no-win situation.[/COLOR]
:scared: Yikes!! :scared: Sorry to hear that Boscoe. Let us know if they take care of you, or if you send it back.
 

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Very nice review Boscoe. Given the concerns you expressed over the SW200 and the bracelet screws, I'm surprised you'd say the quality so closely rivals Omega or Tudor though. Seems like there's good old Invicta QC issues at play. :001_rolleyes:
 

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@john: Certainly the movement issue is an issue. Though I had two SW200 movements that were fine. However, I'm concerned about the problems reported with Invictas, though I haven't experienced it myself.

As for the fit and finish, the watch does, indeed, come very, very close to Omega. This is quite surprising, really. The bracelet screw thing is a tick off. However, I've also had bracelet screws back out of $4,000 Swiss watches, so it happens.

But whenever anything happens to an Invicta, my DEFECT ALARM goes off.
 

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This whole thread is making me second guess whether or not I should buy an Invicta, which is where I was definitely leaning...
 

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Boscoe very helpful and insightful review of the IR diver. :thumbup:

The issue with the screw working loss is a bummer.:confused1: I would say call Invicta CS and have them to send you a replacement or two.

Thanks for the review. :thumbup1:
 

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Would a preventive application of Loctite work with watch bands?

It certainly does the trick on firearms.

Some even use clear nail polish.
 

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Screw update: I just took one from a bracelet link, a dab of lockite and end of story.
We'll seek how long - and if - Invicta sends me a replacement.

I've decided it's no biggie - especially since it had a happy ending.
 

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Thanks for that great review Boscoe,I've got a reserve pro diver as well,I got mine in July and did have the loose screw issue at first,its a pain to tighten them holding two screw drivers,but after a couple of tightenings,I have'nt had a loose screw (in the watch) for months.I hate bracelets with screw in links,no matter what watch it is, I've had this same issue.This is my only gripe about the reserve pro divers.The sellita winding problems seem to be improving,I sell alot of them and I have'nt had any returns in months.I hope this means Invicta is getting the bugs out.
 

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Great Review

Thanks for the very well written review. The screw backing out does give on pause to think. Your additional post that you have had that happen on a more expensive watch is indeed very fair to Invicta. These things can and do happen. My concern here would be, when it happens on another brand you most likely can get through to and received the needed parts (because they really are in stock) from other watch makers. The phone numbers and addresses for Invicta CS are the same for that watch as they are for a $89 Invicta. I hope I would be wrong but if you do have a CS issue, you would most likely run into the same problems with your $1000 Reserve as you would the $89 Invicta beater.

Any thoughts on this anyone?
 

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Great review Boscoe. It is great that you got a good one. The one I got had to go back due to a movement issue, and the one Invicta sent to replace it was flawed as well. Lucky for me, ShopNBC took the watch back and refunded my money long after the 30 day return expired. They do seem like a great watch, if one is lucky to get a working one.
 

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Thanks for the review Boscoe. I greatly appreciate it coming from you as I know it is far from being your favorite brand. The screw issue seems to be a minor one and I would like to know how you come out with cs on this. Invicta is selling you their premium line of watches. Will they provide premium service to go with it. Please keep us posted.
 

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Very comprehensive review, Mr. B. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Had to admit, however, that I thought HE double toothpicks must've froze over for you to be purchasing one of the Lalo's products!:D
 
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