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Hi Guys & Girls,

I am looking for information regarding the 1975 Stainless Steel Anniversary Spaceview.
From researching the net, it appears to be a a rare watch with the 'Gold' coloured case being the more common out of the two.

Another source claims that only 40 exist :001_tt1::001_tt1::001_tt1:

What are your views ?

Here is my latest acquisition "Opinions please"

As soon as I receive the watch it is going directly to a specialist for a full service, therefore I will have full piece of mind ensuring that this beauty will run flawlessly for another 37 years.

I would also like to replace the strap as I am a purist, therefore 'what strap would you use?'

The watch shows signs of having a blue protective film over the stainless steel, and I have been told that it was rarely used, however it was shown to be working and keeps time well.

Here are some pics of the watch, the dateless mechanism and the '7581' cover





Thank you :thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

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I have never seen an Anniversary Spaceview, just a few pictures, but that sure looks nice and correct to me.
I don't quite understand what appears to be a slot in the end of the minute hand but it may just be the picture.
 

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I have never seen an Anniversary Spaceview, just a few pictures, but that sure looks nice and correct to me.
I don't quite understand what appears to be a slot in the end of the minute hand but it may just be the picture.
Hi

The hand on these models for 'whatever' reason feature a small cut out, why ? Im not sure.
Some of the 'cushion' models also display this feature.

Maybe it was aesthetically pleasing to the eye ?

The mystery of why, when, what and where continues lol
 

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The pictures of Anniversary models I've seen are mostly on the Martin Marcus site and none of them have the slots in the ends of the hands.
I continue to believe that Bulova wasn't always very consistent in the assembly of their watches.
 

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Nice looking watch! A great find. My Anniv. Spaceview is in a GP case and does not have the slot at the end of the minute hand. Like Skypilot, I only remember seeing hands w/o the slot on U.S. watches. One that Boomertime sold in the past and one he has for sale now do not have that slot. I had a pic sent to me by an Accutron collector in the U.K. showing his SS Anniv. watch. If I still have it, i'll check that one.

Found the pic! It shows both a SS and a GP 214 Anniv. Neither has a minute hand with a slot. He also has a Ladies 230 Anniv. and a 218 Spaceview Anniv.
 

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Here's my man's 230 Anniversary. The case # is 3494 and I'm trying to learn the crystal # because it needs one.
I haven't seen another one so I don't really know if it is correct or not.

 

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Here's my man's 230 Anniversary. The case # is 3494 and I'm trying to learn the crystal # because it needs one.
I haven't seen another one so I don't really know if it is correct or not.

Beautiful watch! Probably the same crystal as on my men's 230 Anniv. When you tap on yours, does it feel like thin, cheap plastic? Mine does.

The crystal on mine is in good condition but I recently found it to be loose and am wondering if there is anything I can do to re-attach it.
 

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Nice looking watch! A great find. My Anniv. Spaceview is in a GP case and does not have the slot at the end of the minute hand. Like Skypilot, I only remember seeing hands w/o the slot on U.S. watches. One that Boomertime sold in the past and one he has for sale now do not have that slot. I had a pic sent to me by an Accutron collector in the U.K. showing his SS Anniv. watch. If I still have it, i'll check that one.

Found the pic! It shows both a SS and a GP 214 Anniv. Neither has a minute hand with a slot. He also has a Ladies 230 Anniv. and a 218 Spaceview Anniv.
You guys are :sneaky2::sneaky2: Good eye for detail too !!!
It is correct that Accutron were never consistent 'with anything' lol.

The Anniversary Spaceview on mybob.net (Is gorgeous) however this is a USA version.
You will note that on the rear of my version I have a serial number. (Ignore the blue protective tape)



This is consistent with swiss models.
The other anomaly are the hands :sneaky2: Swiss versions have the tapered hands and the US version has the 'stick type' hands.

My friend who is an old watch maker and member of the Horology Institute, remembers these old watches as he used to sell them back in the day. He is a great font of knowledge.

Hopefully this post will help others identify the 'why' 'how' 'is it' aspects of this wonderful brand.

If anyone else has any feedback then please contribute :biggrin:
 

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When I first became aware of the 100th Anniv. Accutron some time ago, the only one I knew about was the 214 version in SS and GP cases. As time passed and I did more research, it became obvious that this series was made with more than just the 214 mvt. So far, I know of 218, 224 and 230 mvt. versions, with both men's & women's sizes produced with the 230 mvt. In addition to these variations, there seems to have been a host of different dials offered. Skypilot and I have 230 men's but with different dials, not to mention that his is probably in a solid gold case. Mine with the band that came on it:

Anyone know of a 219 mvt. version? Also, does anyone have an ad from the time the 100th Anniv. watches were sold or a Bulova catalog showing them?
 

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You guys are :sneaky2::sneaky2: Good eye for detail too !!!
It is correct that Accutron were never consistent 'with anything' lol.

The Anniversary Spaceview on mybob.net (Is gorgeous) however this is a USA version.
You will note that on the rear of my version I have a serial number. (Ignore the blue protective tape)



This is consistent with swiss models.
The other anomaly are the hands :sneaky2: Swiss versions have the tapered hands and the US version has the 'stick type' hands.

My friend who is an old watch maker and member of the Horology Institute, remembers these old watches as he used to sell them back in the day. He is a great font of knowledge.

Hopefully this post will help others identify the 'why' 'how' 'is it' aspects of this wonderful brand.

If anyone else has any feedback then please contribute :biggrin:
And more questions: I wonder how many 214 Anniversary watches had new mvts. installed because of problems with the original mvt? The original owners might not even realize this had been done, later selling the watch as original. What hit would value take if all else is correct? How difficult would it be to find a 2141 N5 mvt. to replace an incorrect mvt? Is the pillar plate interchangeable between a 2141 and 214 to make the correction in that manner? My 214 service manual does not cover the 2141 mvt.
 

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And more questions: I wonder how many 214 Anniversary watches had new mvts. installed because of problems with the original mvt? The original owners might not even realize this had been done, later selling the watch as original. What hit would value take if all else is correct? How difficult would it be to find a 2141 N5 mvt. to replace an incorrect mvt? Is the pillar plate interchangeable between a 2141 and 214 to make the correction in that manner? My 214 service manual does not cover the 2141 mvt.
214 family of movements:
nickel plated, up to 1968 and gold finish 1968 and later
214: base
214H/2141: hack feature
214HN/2142: hack feature, second time zone

214H and 2141 are virtually identical and parts are interchangeable including the train bridge (pillar plate) with all the markings. I have never seen one stamped 214H in a gold finish and have never seen a 2141 in nickel. 1968 seems break point for the changes in numbering and finish. I have seen several Swiss made M7 214H movements in nickel but after that, they are marked 2141. The gold color is not an all Swiss thing. There were many made in the US that were marked 214 and had the gold finish. One number that has eluded me is 2140. It is reported to be the later version of the base model 214 but I have never ever found a photo of one. If one did exist, could we assume that it would be in gold? Would it have been Swiss made? Perhaps not. I was thinking that Bulova Swiss only made 214s with the hack feature.
I better quit while I'm ahead. Just thinking out loud.
 

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Oliverb, to answer your crystal question, mine also appears to be cheap thin plastic. It has as crack in the 2 position that is a little hard to see. I sure like the face in yours.
These discussions of originality are fascinating but I sometimes wonder if we will ever really get to the bottom of it. Going through the watches for sale on ebay one is struck by the number of variations. All we can do is keep trying.
 

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Oliverb, to answer your crystal question, mine also appears to be cheap thin plastic. It has as crack in the 2 position that is a little hard to see. I sure like the face in yours.
These discussions of originality are fascinating but I sometimes wonder if we will ever really get to the bottom of it. Going through the watches for sale on ebay one is struck by the number of variations. All we can do is keep trying.
Yep, then same crystal. Hope you have success finding a replacement.

Yes, interesting. Is a vintage airplane no longer of value if the engine has been replaced because of an internal failure?
 

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Also, does anyone have an ad from the time the 100th Anniv. watches were sold or a Bulova catalog showing them?
I have searched high and low for an ad or catalogue and it surprises me that old vintage ad's and catalogues exist however try finding a more modern 1975 ad !!!!!!! no chance :cursing::cursing:

Knowing Bulova they probably forgot to advertise the Anniversary watch :lol::lol::lol: whilst confused over what hands and straps to fit :001_tongue:
 

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Yep, then same crystal. Hope you have success finding a replacement.

Yes, interesting. Is a vintage airplane no longer of value if the engine has been replaced because of an internal failure?
Generly speaking, if an engine fails because of an internal failure, there is very little left of the vintage plane to
be of any value except for scrap value... :blink::sad::eek:hmy::crying:

Don't ask me how I know... It's a very long story.
 

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Generly speaking, if an engine fails because of an internal failure, there is very little left of the vintage plane to
be of any value except for scrap value... :blink::sad::eek:hmy::crying:

Don't ask me how I know... It's a very long story.
Guess I was referring to such a plane that had it's failed engine replaced with another of the same vintage but, that's not my area of knowledge.
 

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Actually, with aircraft, vintage or current, the engine can be original or a replacement, the basic value changes very little due to the very rigid FAA regulations regarding timing (of hours of actual use) between inspections and rebuild requirements.

It's not uncommon for an owner to trade an engine due for a major overhaul for a rebuilt replacement unit and the value stays stable. The basic value depends on the age in hours of the engine in regard to time between minor and major engine hour inspections, etc.

Of course there are other things that weigh in regarding market value but I was only taking your question into consideration... Sorry.
 

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And more questions: I wonder how many 214 Anniversary watches had new mvts. installed because of problems with the original mvt?
That is a very good question and one that I have considered since I posted the reply to your pillar plate interchangeability question. By 1967 Bulova was encouraging dealers to make repairs in-house using an $85 kit supplied for that purpose. I have never seen one but assume that the kit contained a complete movement and necessary seals. That would account for some of the movements without a date stamp that we see from time to time. We also know that the electronic parts of some early 214 movements had heat sensitivity issues that did not require movement replacement but it may have been more cost effective to do so. Bulova had long since resolved those issues by 1975. Would it be helpful to know more about Bulova policy was on warranty repairs? http://www.dashto.com/images/AccutronHistor/acc167.jpg
 

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As for the crystal question, I keep hoping that one will turn up in its original envelope but that may take a while, if ever. There is one currently on eBay (260962486604) that the seller believes to be for an 100th Anniversary Spaceview but I have my doubts. The radius of the corners is not correct and it seems to be made of molded acrylic. The original was made of glass. I wonder what it really fits. Any ideas?
 

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As for the crystal question, I keep hoping that one will turn up in its original envelope but that may take a while, if ever. There is one currently on eBay (260962486604) that the seller believes to be for an 100th Anniversary Spaceview but I have my doubts. The radius of the corners is not correct and it seems to be made of molded acrylic. The original was made of glass. I wonder what it really fits. Any ideas?
When I look at the SS 100th Anniv. 214 he refers to, the crystal corners appear just about the same radius. When I look at my watch, the crystal corners are much sharper. Interesting! Instructions for the new replacement crystals say to re-use the original seal when installing. The ebay seller says his crystal has a "silver band" around it. Does that sound right? Also, do you see any gold tone parts on the mvt. pictured in the link?

Rare Bulova Accutron 100 Anniversary watch, circa 1975 - Yorktime Used and Vintage Watches for Sale
 
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