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I am paring down the collection, mostly the 214's.

In pricing, do the learned here feel there is a premium for having a SWISS marked movement over a USA marked movement? I realize the movements are identical except for that marking and that the assemblers are likely equally skilled. Is there a difference in numbers produced? I'd like to hear your opinions/feedback.

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Interesting question. Never seen anything indicating higher value for Swiss mvts. unless a Swiss watch case was supposed to have a Swiss mvt. Then value would decrease in the eyes of some collectors. Don't know anything about numbers of Swiss vs U.S.A. made mvts.
 

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In my opinion I think the Swiss ones are rarer so would command higher prices, a case in point would be the Swiss chapter ring spaceview. Also the affinity of watch collectors to Swiss watches could drive collectors to give Swiss Accutrons preference of that's not already the case with Accutrons.
 

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In my opinion I think the Swiss ones are rarer so would command higher prices, a case in point would be the Swiss chapter ring spaceview. Also the affinity of watch collectors to Swiss watches could drive collectors to give Swiss Accutrons preference of that's not already the case with Accutrons.
Interesting point, and I do understand your logic, but, other than a special model, do we actually see that in prices paid for Accutrons? I don't know as I haven't done such a study but also don't recall seeing any obvious general price difference between Swiss and U.S. made Accutrons.
 

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In my opinion I think the Swiss ones are rarer so would command higher prices, a case in point would be the Swiss chapter ring spaceview. Also the affinity of watch collectors to Swiss watches could drive collectors to give Swiss Accutrons preference of that's not already the case with Accutrons.
This was my point in asking. Of the 50 or so 214's I have had (or still have) over the years, I have only had four marked Swiss made, Brevet-Patent on the movement. Of those only two with "T SWISS T" marked on the dial. The two that were spaceviews had the case numbers and SWISS stamped inside.

That being said, I assume these are more rare than the USA movement. As rarity influences price (Alphas, spaceviews, astronauts, dual zone RR approved, etc.) I would expect that there are those that would be willing to pay a premium.

Raise your hands if you ever sought out a variant of a particular case/dial/movement?
 

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There is also the Swiss 75th anniversary 2141 movement. So how do the 2141 and 214H differ considering they both have hacks? Am guessing the 2141 is a bigger sized movement than the 214H to cater for the bigger case size? But then I heard the 2141 and 214H are interchangeable so I could be wrong. Anyone knows? And how easy would it be to source a spare 2141?
 

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There is also the Swiss 75th anniversary 2141 movement. So how do the 2141 and 214H differ considering they both have hacks? Am guessing the 2141 is a bigger sized movement than the 214H to cater for the bigger case size? But then I heard the 2141 and 214H are interchangeable so I could be wrong. Anyone knows? And how easy would it be to source a spare 2141?
All 214 mvts. are the same size. The only larger mvt. is the new 50th Anniv. released in 2010. As said in another thread. most all 214 parts are interchangeable. The mvt. cavity in the 100th Anniv. case is the same size as other 214 cases. Just the rest of the case is larger.
 

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I'm not pulling a leg here, but believe it or not, a swiss spaveview I ordered came in the mail just yesterday. It has a SS TV case without the integrated band. It has a 2141 movement, and I believe they are identical. I'll post before and afters when it's done. It's a 73. :cool1:
 

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I'm not pulling a leg here, but believe it or not, a swiss spaveview I ordered came in the mail just yesterday. It has a SS TV case without the integrated band. It has a 2141 movement, and I believe they are identical. I'll post before and afters when it's done. It's a 73. :cool1:
Does this one have the Hack?

I know that the early models were designated 214, 214H(Hack) and 214HN(dual zone hack). Later, they changed the designations to 2141, 2142 and according to sources a 2143. Is a 2141 just the later caliber name for a 214? Then I assume a 2142 = 214H and 2143=214HN. Does this sound right?

I have never seen a 2143 but then I have only had one Astronaut....wherever you are :cursing:
 

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Yes, it's a hack.

I doubt that 2141 is a later 214. I have seen a 73 214 and it just said 214. Unless 2141, 2, 3 units were swiss specific. That still wouldn't explain why mine was a hack, and that a 2143 is a real thing. Bulova did this on purpose to torture collectors.
 

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Just found this:

214 1960: The basic caliber that is used in closed cases and in spaceview (i.e. open) models. Frequency 360 Hz, Power cell 1.30 Volt, Height 5.5 mm and always a backsetting device.
Derived calibers: 214 H (1962, very small improvements), 214 HN, with calendar (1963), 2140 = 214, 2141 = 214 H, 2142 = 214 HN, 2143 (1970).
The numbers 2140,2141 and 2142 are used from 1968 onwards.
 

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Just found this:

214 1960: The basic caliber that is used in closed cases and in spaceview (i.e. open) models. Frequency 360 Hz, Power cell 1.30 Volt, Height 5.5 mm and always a backsetting device.
Derived calibers: 214 H (1962, very small improvements), 214 HN, with calendar (1963), 2140 = 214, 2141 = 214 H, 2142 = 214 HN, 2143 (1970).
The numbers 2140,2141 and 2142 are used from 1968 onwards.
I've seen this source before and the author referred to the 214H has "very small improvements", no mention of hack. He refers to the 214HN as "with calender". The fact that he wasn't clear on the differences does little to instill faith in his knowledge.

So a 2141=214H and 2142=214HN? What the heck is a 2143?:confused1:
 

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I've seen this source before and the author referred to the 214H has "very small improvements", no mention of hack. He refers to the 214HN as "with calender". The fact that he wasn't clear on the differences does little to instill faith in his knowledge.

So a 2141=214H and 2142=214HN? What the heck is a 2143?:confused1:
Okay, I went through my later watches and found that the non hack 1970, 1971 movements just say 214. My 1973 TV/Cushion case spaceview says 2141 and has the hack, as this one is original, I assume the above is correct and that there is no 2143(if there is, I have no idea what this variant has over others).
 
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