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First, forgive me if, in all my newbie-ness to this site, I posted this in the wrong place. I would appreciate any posting guidance that's out there. That being said, I have a very unusual Longines-Lindbergh Hour Angle watch. I say unusual because of the hundreds I've seen online, I haven't seen one exactly like the one I have. It belonged to my deceased husband's father who, I believe, purchased it somewhere in the late 30s or 40s.

What makes it unusal is that, first, the case is not hinged. There is a small but weird looking contraption at the base of the case with some kind of spring/mechanical doohickey. Again, forgive my lack of technical terms. Secondly, there are two side dials for winding, I assume one for the time, and one for something else (?). The dials are flat and circular, not the little crown-like type I've seen elsewhere. Third, there is a printed inscription on the back that reads "invented by Col Chas A Lindbergh, US Patent No. 1923305. Now, I've seen that inscription on only one other watch, but it did not have that little contraption at the bottom. I am afraid to open the case for fear of damaging something. I brought it to a jeweler who asked me not to sell it too soon as he wanted to get more info on it. He opened the case for me and there is engraving on the inside as well along with a date that he told me was when the watch had last been repaired by a jeweler (?). The date was sometime in 1956.

If there is anyone out there who would like to see photographs, please let me know. Has anyone seen this type of Hour Angle anywhere? I've seen so many watches online in the last few weeks my head is ticking.
 

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Hi, Cathy, and a warm welcome to WTF. I would love to see pics of your Longines:001_wub:. "Lucky Lindy" was my father's #1 role-model. Anything having to do with Lindbergh fascinated him and a lot of that rubbed off on me.
 

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Is this the watch you're describing? From 1941, but I can't see any indication of a 'weird looking contraption at the base'.
"The Lindbergh Hour Angle Watch was designed
by Col. Charles A. Lindbergh as a navigational
aid for pilots. Used in conjunction with a
sextant, a nautical almanac and a radio set for
receiving the time signal, it made possible the
rapid determination of the Greenwich hour angle,
i.e., longitude"
The crown at 2 o'clock is for rotating the inner dial.
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photo credit (and quote) - www.farfo.com. Hope this doesn't break WTF rules for linking to non-sponsor, but I should credit the source.
 

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Hi, Cathy, and a warm welcome to WTF. I would love to see pics of your Longines:001_wub:. "Lucky Lindy" was my father's #1 role-model. Anything having to do with Lindbergh fascinated him and a lot of that rubbed off on me.
And a fellow Mason too!!! A few years ago there was something out of charecter discovered though. He had at least two other families in Europe during the 50's. One in Germany, and one in Switzerland I believe. His children here have accepted them as siblings. His youngest daughter Reeve is a great author, I just finished reading two of her books.
 

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Ulp!...It's a good thing dad passed on before THAT tidbit was uncovered!:blush:
Yep, I was a little surprised too. Without getting too explicit, I grew up in a semi rural town east of Cleveland. A neighbor about 1 mile down the road was a WW1 Navy Ace, and a friend of Lindbergh. He also had a landing strip in his back yard. Rumor has it that the Lindberghs :001_smile:used to stay at the house where I grew up when he was visiting his friend. This would have been in the 30's or 40's, about 25 years before we bought the house.
 

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Photos of the Longines Hour Angle

Here's a few photos of the watch...as you can see, it needs a bit of cleaning which I will have done by a professional if you experts think I should :blush: I've taken the watch band off because I think it was a replacement. It's made of some strong fabric like material (I am extremely ignorant in this area, sorry). If anyone can identify anything about the watch, I'd love to hear from you....Thanks for being so much more knowledgeable than me :blushing: Watch Analog watch Clock Font Watch accessory
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Hi Cathl
That is a you know a Longines 'WEEMS' watch. It was designed by Lieutenant Commander Weems. (US, Patent number:2008734)
Weems work in navigation became so important and invaluable, that he isa now known as the 'father of modern navigation.'

In 1930 Longines agreed to manufacture the 'weems' watch

Charles Lindenbergh used the 'weems' design on his famous flight. He then (Lindenbergh) took the basic design added scales to dial and bezel to calculate the hour angles of the sun, and stars. There By creating the 'Lindenbergh Longines Hour Angle watch'
That IS what you have. I never seen one before.

If you can give me the serial numberof YOUR watch, I will find out ALL the details about it for you.
Including exact manufacture date and to whom (and where) it was first sold.

Thanks for posting a very unusual watch.

Adam
 

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SN for Longines Hour Angle

Hi Cathl
That is a you know a Longines 'WEEMS' watch. It was designed by Lieutenant Commander Weems. (US, Patent number:2008734)
Weems work in navigation became so important and invaluable, that he isa now known as the 'father of modern navigation.'

In 1930 Longines agreed to manufacture the 'weems' watch

Charles Lindenbergh used the 'weems' design on his famous flight. He then (Lindenbergh) took the basic design added scales to dial and bezel to calculate the hour angles of the sun, and stars. There By creating the 'Lindenbergh Longines Hour Angle watch'
That IS what you have. I never seen one before.

If you can give me the serial numberof YOUR watch, I will find out ALL the details about it for you.
Including exact manufacture date and to whom (and where) it was first sold.

Thanks for posting a very unusual watch.

Adam
Hello Adam...the SN is 7320128 and I'm including a photo of the movement...thanks again, Cathy Watch White Light Analog watch Bicycle part
 

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Hello Adam...the SN is 7320128 and I'm including a photo of the movement...thanks again, Cathy View attachment 17324

You gave me WRONG serial number:

See reply from Longines

Dear Mr. Harris,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding your Longines watch :

#serial number identify : pocket watch in silver
Movement caliber 21.54 ZZ
It was invoiced to Messrs Grosjean, at that time our agents for the Sweden, on 19.11.1910.

Please check serial number, thank you.

Best regards,
 

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Here you GO!!!

#serial number 7'320'128 identify :

Wristwatch in stainless steel with leather band, reference 4320, Lindbergh collection
It has a movement caliber 12.68N
It was invoiced to Messrs Longines-Wittnauer in New-York, who were for many years our agents for the USA, on 08.12.1947.

Best regards,

1947 VERY COOL>
 

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Yeah, I agree, pretty cool, lol....Thank you for all your assistance, Adam...I am truly grateful and sorry if I caused you any grief from your "connection"....now to decide how to sell it and the asking price...hmmmm...thanks again :)
 
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