[mattworld]

Hi,

I past a lot of time reading on the forum about watches. I registered recently because I'am about to buy my first Accutron and I still have a lot of questions.
What do you think about the Accutron in the pictures I linked ? Is the a original one or not ?
What is it value ? Thanks ! :001_smile:

 

[ArchieGoodwin]

Mattworld, just recently my wife surprised me by purchasing a spaceview that looked identical to the one above, as an anniversay gift to me. I was understandably very happy that she'd been so thoughtful to have purchased an Accutron for me, but upon its' arrival I noticed several problems with it - several hands had come loose, and the crystal looked as if there was adhesive sloppily applied to keep it secure. In general though, the watch has a nice look to it. I'm a fan of that particular case style. I would note; however, that I believe the watch is not a factory original spaceview, but rather an aftermarket creation. It's been awhile since I was researching it so I may have forgotten all the details. I ended up returning the watch for a full refund, and picked out another spaceview, the Swiss chapter ring model "T" which I belive I've posted a thread about here.

Eric

 

[Spaceview M2]

Welcome to WTF mattworld. With the limited info we have from the pics, I can only add I do not think those hands are original. They look to be a aftermarket production. The movement looks to have been repaired also and seems to be a circa 1963+ movement. And whomever is selling it seems to be advertising the usage of a 1.35v accucell for the watch. Most watches are phased to use the 1.55v silver oxide batteries.:thumbup1:

 

[Spaceview M2]

Also those particular hands if they were factory would have a bent tip on both the sweep second hand as well as the minute hand. Aftermarket hands that they sell on ebay all are flat and straight.

Factory minute hand pic.


Aftermarket second hand(left) and factory second hand (right)

 

[Margarets Dad]

A handsome watch to be sure; I've always been a fan of that case style. Others would know more about this than I do, but I'm pretty sure that's not an original Spaceview. It also looks like a recent Clark crystal rather than an original Accutron crystal. What Spaceview M said regarding the battery is very important; the watch should have been rephased to use the garden-variety 1.55v battery, and if it hasn't been, you're probably going to end up having to pay for this (usually as part of a general overhaul) probably sooner rather than later. This appears to be something of a Frankenwatch, probably worth a few-hundred bucks. If you're looking for an original Spaceview or something that's collector-grade, I'd skip it and keep looking. But if you're just looking for a conversation piece that'll look good on your wrist and it's under $350 or so I'd think about it, factoring in whether it had recently been serviced, the seller's reputation, and any guarantees, etc. There are a lot of Spaceviews floating around out there, and there's no need to jump on this one without making sure it's exactly the right one for you.

 

[Catman8]

It sure would be nice if we had a sticky thread about OEM vs Aftermarket, pictures showing side by side images of parts and descriptions explaining the difference and what to look out for all in one place. That would be a good project for you veterans :thumbup: and of course any members who can contribute.

 

[CometHunter]

Careful what you wish for: it may just happen!

Okay- I'll make a deal with you. I'll create the Sticky if you write the introductory thread.

It doesn't need to be long (maybe 40-60 words?)...we're just letting the guys know what it's to be used for. Let's see what you come up with. I'll cut & paste the text and make it into thread #1. You guys can then go ahead and add your photos and stuff. I may even be generous and credit you with the idea. :lol:

For fastest results, PM me with what you've written.

 

[dragcolo]

Great idea guys. Is it done ?

 

[Catman8]

Great idea guys. Is it done ?

I did pm the introductory write up to Comethunter

 

[mattworld]

Hi,

I receive the watch yesterday. Very Nice :wink:
I now have more information about it.
On the back the number is : K42568 and M6
On the inside there is : PAT 2.971/323 and : Bulova USA 214

I will post high rez pictures as soon as possible.

 

[mikeyt_53]

De bonnes photographies claires seraient très utiles! (sorry 'bout my quebec french!)

Good clear photos would be very helpful!

 

[mattworld]

Here are the pictures of the watch. What do you think about it ?
You were right about the hands they are not OEM but I think the crystal is. :wink:

 

[mattworld]

To resume I have :

- The serial number : K42568 and M6
- On the inside there is : PAT 2.971/323 and : Bulova USA 214
- The case number : 2624 5/6

You all tend to say that it is not an original but modified watch. But I have seen a lot of picture of : "1960 Accutron Asymmetrical Spaceview" and it look the same as the one I am looking for.

http://www.mybob.net/more/asymmetric.htm

https://itsawindup.com/watches/sold...ymmetric-gents-vintage-tuning-fork-watch-1966

https://itsawindup.com/watches/sold...ymmetric-gents-vintage-tuning-fork-watch-1960

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/BULOVA-ACCUT...-Vintage-Tuning-Fork-Watch-1966-/141662785689

http://www.accutron214.com/AccutronsForSale/1960-Assymmetrical/1960-AssymmetricalSV.htm

Are they all modified ones ? :confused1:

Here a : "Genuine 2624 asymetrical Bulova Accutron near mint m66 space". It as the same design, the same case number (2426) and the same date code (M6).
What do you think ? Thanks !

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Genuine-2624...-mint-m66-space-view-mens-watch-/111813939877

And a quote from the web :

"I'm on board with Accutron 214. In 1967 there was also a "Spaceview" and a 14K model in this case as well. See Cooksey- Shugart's price guide, page 695, top left."
Bulova 1966 Accutron | myBulova.com

I attached the picture

 

[Spaceview M2]

Very clean looking 214. Enjoy!!!:thumbup1:

 

[mattworld]

Thanks Spaceview M2 !

I do not know if it is a converted one or an original spaceview. I tried to collect as much information as possible on internet. From the last picture I attached it seem to be a original spaceview with aftermarket hands.
What do you think ? :001_smile:

Someone know were I can find the "Cooksey- Shugart's price guide" to download ?

What does mean the "T" engraved on the metal ? Is this version version gold filled or is it only stainless steel ? Thanks !

 

[Catman8]

Hello mattworld, that's a nice looking watch, when I first came to this forum I was asking people about my watch also, and after posting pictures like you have I did not realize that close up photos need to be taken with a macro lens and posted full size if you want anyone to give you a good answer, you really can't make an evaluated opinion of a watch that far away. Most people do not have that kind of camera equipment for close up detail and that's what makes it difficult.

 

[mattworld]

Hi catman8,

Thanks for your answer. Yes, I do not have a macro lens but I will try to upload the full size pictures.

 

[Catman8]

Photography Forum

 

[Spaceview M2]

Spaceviews are a very tricky category. All I can say is its possible its a real spaceview. There are always some gray areas but enjoy it and over time you will learn more about it.

http://www.watchtalkforums.info/forums/thread61357.html

Known Spaceview case numbers.

 

[mattworld]

Mikeyt, voici des photos de meilleure qualité :thumbup1:

Is it better ? Do you see something not OK ? Thanks :wink:
You need to click on "download" to have the best quality on posting.org.

Here I try to zoom with a Vision Mantis :







And here the previous pictures with a better resolution :