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Hey guys ! ! ! ! !

Me and Tiffany drove through the night and got home in 17 hours, 7 minutes.

Long drive but not too bad when two people are sharing the work.

PICTURES, PICTURES, PICTURES ! ! ! ! ! ! !

This is just some of what I scored at the show, WAY too much to take pictures of everything right now.

Many of these watches deserve their own threads and they will get them in due time.


The full moon from our balcony.



The building and the show.





The "world famous backpack"


















Pretty cool random license plate ! ! !







1928 - 1929 Hamilton Oval, 17 jewels, sn 2295378, 987 movement, 14k gold filled.

As I am not a Hamilton guy any info that you guys can offer on this one would be great!

Everything look correct ? ? ?










This is THE MOST historically important watch that I have ever seen ! ! ! !

1918 Elgin Black "Star Dial" Trench Watch ! ! ! ! !

One of the VERY FEW that has survived that was in FACT bought by the United States Army in 1918.

100% all original (except for the crystal), you can still see the original black paint on parts of the semi-hermetic case.

Drilled lum dot dial, factory crown, correct government spec hands.

I've only seen one other like this and it was only a picture, not in my hand.

I will go into this in depth with you guys in a week or so.




















And just a few more of the rest, I bought about 20 more.

Give me a few weeks and many of these will look brand new again.

Several will be kept in their 100% original condition though, just going to work on the movements and touch nothing else on them!






 

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Very cool, Stan! Great finds all!:thumbup1:
 

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OMG!!!

Stan, that is quite a haul:thumbup:

Now I have rubbed my eyes till they are gone looking at that Pershing...

Is that an ORD original?!?

NO WAY???

G
 

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My understanding on the Elgin pershing is that only those still in service near the start of WWII were 'retrospectively' marked, as these have been done to the standards from 1942 (IIRC, I can double check the date and publication).

Good finds. I am envious you guys have access to all these great marts.
 

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My understanding on the Elgin pershing is that only those still in service near the start of WWII were 'retrospectively' marked, as these have been done to the standards from 1942 (IIRC, I can double check the date and publication).

Good finds. I am envious you guys have access to all these great marts.


Yeah, if you could look it up that would be great ! ! !

I don't have that info right now.

The only ones that had hour marker dial dots were the ones bought by the Army in 1918.

These skeleton hands were to the Army specs as well, the PX versions were different and had the center reservoir hands.

I am thinking about doing a 100% full restoration on this Elgin, including the black paint on the case.

I've always wanted to restore one of these EXACTLY as it was when bought by the Army.

Electrostatic black paint, WHOOOHOOO ! ! ! !
 

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I understood that the dial dots were, or may have been, added later in service. The original spec only called for lume, very much later specs showed dots. The radium numbers would have been acceptable, but fragile as flaking off during use/service.

Some of them were very crudely chiseled out, and this would not have been from factory but field service use.

I will look up those refs for you when I get home from work.

These skeleton hands were to the Army specs as well, the PX versions were different and had the center reservoir hands.
Do you have docs for this? I have never seen this in print (or before).

K.

P.S. Don't suppose your treasure hunt turned up a set of hands for me/.
 

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Yes, I do have the spec requirements for 1917-1918 for wrist watches bought by the Army.

I'll try to dig them up tomorrow.
 

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Stan...

I am sure you are thinking about restoration...

I had the same dilemma about my Illinois Depollier which
came in "All Black" and has an incredible Brass colored case
underneath.

I have seen some guys polish the case and it looks very shiny
but the "character" is lost








So... I just had the thing COA'ed and left it as is.
 

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I'm still torn Greg !

I would like to do a 100% resto on the Elgin but that would have to include removing the scratches from the case in order to re-apply the flat black paint via electrostatic.

I just finished getting the movement up and running properly again, cleaned the dial without removing any of the original Radium lum and a new mainspring.

Also just installed the correct glass crystal, the plastic PK Hi-Dome that somebody installed was just horrible!
 

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This is what I have finished with sense I got back from the show, 80 hours of shop time in 5 days.................Taking a break today!

I still have many more to go with what I bought in Daytona.











Black Star Dial #2, different watch.











 

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Next to the Army issued Elgin Black Star Dial Trench Watch this 1928 Waltham is my favorite of the bunch !

FULLY engraved 14k white gold filled Illinois "Tivoli" case, near perfect BOLD Roman numeral dial, 7 jewels, new mainspring, new old stock crystal, genuine Lizard band.

The engraving goes all the way out to the lug tips on the top of the case as well as on the sides ! ! ! !

This one is just incredible.











 

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Stan...

Once again, you are a fantastic friend and incredible watchmaker!

Thanks for showing off those fantastic treats for the
Forum to enjoy!

I have that case with the Waltham...
(or one very similar)
With an Illinois "Off-Duty" dial in it.

I will post it soon!

Awesome:thumbup:
 
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