Invicta mechanical chronograph question

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gigfy

Discussion Starter · Feb 11, 2008

I saw Eyal selling the Invicta Men's Ocean Ghost Mechanical Chronograph Watch on TV yesterday.

I did a google search and the model numbers are 4728, 4729, 4730, 4731, & 4732. The banner at the bottom of the TV screen read "Swiss Made". And this is what the website says 'Movement: Mechanical 1902'. World of Watches website says 'Movement: Japan 1902 mechanical chronograph, 22 jewels'.

Is this movement Swiss, Japanese, or Chinese? I got a reply back on another forum and they said it was a Technica Swiss Ebauche. And another that said that Invicta makes its own movements now.

I believe it is a Seagull ST1902 manual wind movement. This movement is one of the better Chinese movements, IMHO. I own a watch with a Seagull 1901 movement and it is rock solid and very accurate.

I couldn't find a picture of the display back on the Invicta but here is a picture of mine.

What really got to me was that Eyal was touting the sub dial at 6 o'clock and saying that they had specially designed this feature for this watch. It is an hour hand that mirrors the main hour hand. A common practice to give a watch the full '3 subdial' look. He was actually turning the crown to make the hour hand and the sub dial hour hand go around. Touting a useless subdial!! Gheeshh!

My ST1901 doesn't have the third subdial and I prefer it that way.

Cheers,
gigfy

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gigfy

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 12, 2008

banned said:
He actually called it a "useless complication" as he was demonstrating the mirrored hour sub-dial, so I'm not quite sure he was touting it. He claimed that the movement will be used in another up-coming design where the hour hand has it's own sub-dial like some Citizen and Alpina models. He also said we use all "swiss parts" in our factory to produce this movement. I don't think anyone would confuse this as a Swiss Made watch, for Invicta would certainly emblazon the 6 with it if that was the case. Also, I certainly would not rely on the banner at the bottom of the screen for accurate information. It is wrong about half the time.

Oops!! :confused1: I was watching the kids and probably missed that subtle point.

No 'Swiss Made' on the dial so the banner was probably just an honest mistake. :sneaky2:

I don't have a problem with Invicta's or Chinese watches. The 8926 coin edge is what got me into the hobby. I guess I don't like the misrepresentation of (what I believe to be) a Chinese movement. The ST19XX is a copy of the old Swiss Venus 175, so it has Swiss origins. :001_rolleyes:

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gigfy

Discussion Starter · #13 · Feb 20, 2008

recent conversation with Mr. Lalo

Well, I don't want to drudge up old arguments, but I have had a very interesting conversation with Mr. Lalo himself and this is what he told me about the Technica Swiss Ebauche mechanical chronograph movement.

He said that the movement is assembled in Korea. Invicta outsources some labor from Seagull employees and also source some parts from Seagull. The assembly is managed by a team of Swiss watchmakers. He also indicated that they are seeing better performance from their movements and are able to extend this value to the customer.

There you have it. I'm satisfied with the answers. What do you think?

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gigfy

Discussion Starter · #15 · Feb 20, 2008

hold on there....

banned said:
Pretty interesting post, considering the fact that you bragged on WUS about how fun it is to stir up trouble over here.:001_rolleyes:

When did I brag? I may have commented on how others stirred the pot but here is what I said and meant.

"I didn't really mean to but seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest with my observation & comments."

I posted the same info on BDWF, WTF, & WUS. There was more bickering on some forums that others but after it started, I stayed out of it. I only wanted more info on the movement. I got the answers from the source and am satisfied.

I can't say I wasn't interested in the comments. It was sort of like a car wreck where you can't look away. But I didn't expect it. Next time I'll be a little more careful choosing my words if I suspect foul play.

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