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Hey guys !

Agee asked me to post some pictures of the watches that I bought at the NAWCC Kansas City Regional a couple of days ago.

Here is one of them.........................................but it comes with some disappointment.

I have spent and insane amount of time over the years trying to find every last trench watch case style that was made by the Illinois Watch Case Company out of Elgin, Illinois.

This case might not look like much but it one of the rarest ones ever produced by the IWCCo.

This case was called "The Protected Hunting Military Wrist Watch Case".

At one point this watch case had a hinged protective cover over the top of the watch case, it was solid unlike other IWCCo cases that had integrated shrapnel guards that were see through.

I found an advert for a very similar case design from the IWCCo but it had one main difference, the location of the hinge.

In the advert the hinge is shown at the 9 o'clock position but on this case that I have here with me the hinge was located at the 12 o'clock position.

The lug design is a bit different as well but this just might be the artist's rendering.

This is a size 3/0s sterling silver case with swivel lugs and it still has the original sterling silver factory crown.

The case measures 46mm lug to lug, 33mm without the crown with a 14mm lug diameter.

I have seen other cases like this but they were Swiss made, NOT American made.

If this case were fully in tact it would be worth $$$$$ ! ! ! ! !

I installed a 1918 size 3/0s Elgin movement in the case to test for size and it was a perfect fit.








You can clearly see in these next two pictures where the integrated protective cover once was, the cover and hinge pin are both missing.












This will be going in the storage bin in the hopes that one day I'll find the correct hinged protective cover.

I probably have a better chance of winning the lottery though !
 

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Hi Stan
James Dowling - The Rolex expert (The Best of Times)
Taught me, the hardest thing to counterfeit is the 'track' mark of a strap on the back of a so called 'trench watch' case.
Yours does NOT run from 12 to 6
So we know case is NOT original to that watch face (with a 12 and 6 at top/bottom)

Interesting stuff

Regards
 

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I choose to put the case back opening lip at the 1 o'clock through 2 o'clock position on my watches, this makes it much easier to open in my opinion without damaging the watch case or movement.

ALL of the case serial numbers are MATCHING ! ! ! ! ! !

The Roman numerals under the bezel MATCH the case back serial numbers ! ! ! ! !

Here is a picture with them all lined up just so you are happy.




You seriously need to start studying things before making outrageous claims that things are NOT ORIGINAL ! ! !

Maybe you should go back to James Dowling and get a few more lessons, but pay attention this time!

Your views are starting to get stale again Adam.
 

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"Yours does NOT run from 12 to 6, So we know case is NOT original to that watch face (with a 12 and 6 at top/bottom)"

Your entire statement is an outrageous claim!

I know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to this subject Adam, do you?

Obviously not.

I seriously do not appreciate you trying to discredit me or my knowledge base.

This watch case IS all original!
 

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That's cool Stan
I pointed out something without any claim.
You of course go ultra defensive
That's fine.
Me I am not arguing with you.
You are the jobber that must know it all. You know what you are talking about - do I? No. I live and learn
Thanks for teaching us



Adam
 

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"So we know case is NOT original to that watch face (with a 12 and 6 at top/bottom)"

This is not simply pointing something out Adam, you made a definitive statement here to which YOU were completely WRONG !

Notice the "NOT original" in your statement ?
 

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Hey Gents...

I am VERY glad you both got this solved!
It was the absolute first thing I noticed when I looked at the case.
Wrongfully thinking that the back of the case was hinged, I was trying
to figure out how in the WORLD those
tell-tale wear marks on the outside of the caseback could have gotten in that position!
Especially with those wonderful swivel lugs in the position they are.

Thanks for showing off this truly rare and important case Stan...
We can only HOPE that an intact
specimen shows up some day!!!

G
 

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Greg,

If one does show up some day fully intact I really hope that it's the 14k solid gold version ! ! !

Now that would be something to see.
 

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Jeff,

The "compass" and "picture" straps were in fact real, they did make them.

I have seen two of the compass straps but only one of the picture straps over the years.

The last genuine compass strap that I saw sold for $300.00, this is for the strap alone without the watch!

It was in VERY good condition and looked like it had never been installed before.
 

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I'm not as well-versed as you folks are---especially since these "trench watches" are something new to me.

I wanted to ask if anyone remembers a popular watch from the 60-s (?) which also had a kind of "hunters case" cover?

I remember a watch band that had a kind of velcro flap over the watchface, but the cover I am asking about was a hinged, metal cover.

Anyone?

Best Wishes,

Bruce
 

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I'm not as well-versed as you folks are---especially since these "trench watches" are something new to me.
I wanted to ask if anyone remembers a popular watch from the 60-s (?) which also had a kind of "hunters case" cover?
I remember a watch band that had a kind of velcro flap over the watchface, but the cover I am asking about was a
hinged, metal
cover.
Anyone?
Best Wishes,
Bruce
Hey Bruce,
Welcome to the American!
I have been trying to look for this watch, in the "60's but coming up short.
Here is an old Hamilton Flintridge

(bogoff.com)

Anyone?
 

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All this talk about IWC got me thinking: I have a Vietnam War era International Watch Company military case watch, with a Russian Poljot movement in it. Anyone know where I can get an IWC manual one?
 

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I wonder if this Illinois case looked anything like this Swiss case below with the simple pull up cover ? ? ? ? ?



It would make sense but the cover design of the Illinois case may never been known.........................was it solid or pierced ? ? ? ? ? ?



 

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Thanks, RJ: I'm definitely out of my depth here. The item I was thinking of was closer to the round watch that followed your post, except that the cover was not "pierced". IIRC the watchband was OD green canvas and the works may have had the "hack" option. I definitely remember the oversized numerals and the fact that they could be "charged" by pressing the watch face to the lens of a flashlight. Sorry I can't say more about it. I think of it each time I see one of those Government/General Issue ("GI") military watches from WW II. FWIW.

Best Wishes,

Bruce
 

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Band with compass

About a month ago, I got a good deal on an Elgin "Avigo", probably because the plastic crystal was so bad the dial could hardly be seen, and the photos didn't help much. With it came three old bands. One of them turned out to be a "trench" style band, with a compass. The plastic crystal on it, too, is badly worn and discolored, but you can still see the needle, which is working.




The compass is machined brass with a threaded stud on the back that screws into a brass fitting on the back of the band. Much of the wear on the inside of the crystal is from the brass bearing in the center of the needle. It appears to be a well-made compass, not just a toy, though it is only about the size of my thumbnail.
 

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Jim,

WOW ! ! ! WOW ! ! ! WOW ! ! !

Now that is a TRUE FIND ! ! ! ! !

This is the ONLY Kitchener Strap that I've ever seen with an integrated compass ! ! !

Does it have any markings on the buckle anywhere ? ? ? ? ?

VERY FEW might have had a marker's mark on the leather itself.

Max Hirsch made very high quality Kitchener Straps back in the day.

Not saying that it's a Hirsch but it's a slight possibility!
 

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About a month ago, I got a good deal on an Elgin "Avigo", probably because the plastic crystal was so bad the dial could hardly be seen, and the photos didn't help much. With it came three old bands. One of them turned out to be a "trench" style band, with a compass. The plastic crystal on it, too, is badly worn and discolored, but you can still see the needle, which is working.




The compass is machined brass with a threaded stud on the back that screws into a brass fitting on the back of the band. Much of the wear on the inside of the crystal is from the brass bearing in the center of the needle. It appears to be a well-made compass, not just a toy, though it is only about the size of my thumbnail.

INSANE JIM!

What an amazing find my friend. looks like there was never a watch on it.
There would be some sort of wear mark in the center (round?)
So cool to see one of these in this condition!!!
Congrats:thumbup:
 
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