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Pocket Watches...

Welcome to the American Forum Jackie!
There are SO many kinds of Pocket Watches out there, from some great American companies... keep checking in here for more examples.
If you do get one, don't forget to show us a picture!:thumbup1:

Awsome pictures of a beautiful PW!!!

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I'm also debating whether to start collecting pocket watches. :cursing:

This thread has really got me thinking I should. The watches themselves are nice, but what really has me wanting to collect them is the beautiful movements! The craftmanship really stands out from that early period. What gorgeous machining!

Ahhh, but there are so many watches I've yet to collect! Aaaargh, what to do, what to do?:001_wub:

Come on Ham! Give in, you are helpless, A true WIS!
Don't make this harder than it has to be...
You know you want one:T

(seller photo)

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Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Railroad Standard Time Introduced:

This is a pretty cool PW story with a neat watch.

Railroad Standard Time Introduced:

During the early years most trains were operated on a single track,
with sidings provided at intervals to allow trains to pass each other.
Railroads operated using a timetable in order to avoid
collisions between trains and to move trains efficiently
over the railroad lines. Timetable operation required that
all moving trains use a standardized time.

Each railroad began to try to standardize time based
on the local time standard adopted by its home city
or an important city on its line. Mistakes and errors
were frequent and sometimes disastrous. (

The Great Kipton Train Wreck:

Oberlin Weekly News, April 23, 1891

The local passenger train from the east was behind schedule
and instead of waiting at Oberlin for the fast mail train to
pass by from the west, went on to Kipton. A freight train
was sitting on the siding that the engineer had planned to
use and going eight miles an hour by this time sought a
second siding. The mail train came around the curve from
the west going forty-five miles an hour. The engineer's
view being blocked by the freight on the siding, he did
not see the passenger train in time to slow down.
Both engineers and a fireman were among those killed.
Three postal clerks sorting mail also died.

The accident occurred on April 18th
and eight people died in the crash.

Because of Wrecks like these,
A new pocket watch standard was begun:
Standard Requirements (General)

Here is my Illinois Bunn Railroad Grade Pocketwatch:

American Made 18 or 16 size
Fitted with 17 or more jewels
Temperature compensated
Adjusted to 5 positions
Lever Set
Timed to +/- 30 sec/week
Fitted with a:
Double roller
Patented regulator
Steel escape wheel
Plain White dial
Black Arabic Numerals
Each minute delineated
Open Face
Configured with the winding stem at 12 O'clock

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"S.W.C. Co" is:

The Star Watch Case Co.

Otto A. Starke and Fred Herman founded the company in Elgin, IL in 1897. The company moved to Ludington, MI in 1905, where they eventually employed about 150 people.

Until WWI, only pocket watch cases were made. Afterwards, Wrist Watch Cases were added to the line. The company continued to make watch cases until at least the mid-1970's. Cases were solid gold, gold filled, rolled gold plate, sterling silver and eventually, chrome plated.

History of the American Watch Case, Warren H. Niebling, Whitmore Publishing, Philadelphia, PA, 1971

"The Star Watch Case Co., Jack Linahan, NAWCC Bulletin, No. 360, February, 2006, pp. 4-9.

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Discussion Starter · #24 ·
Actually, the only Benrus PW I've ever seen is the one Greg posted!:crying:

From all of my investigation, I've concluded that Benrus didn't really produce to many PW's....

On another note -

What is the watch FOB?

What does it stand for and how do you use one?

And does it make the PW more valuable to have the original?
Here are a couple of Fobs... more like chains (Metal and Leather)
the FOB part sometimes had a weight or medallion on it, to counter
the weight of the watch. I have even seen some Illinois with
a pocket knife on the other end... those can be valuable!

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Discussion Starter · #26 ·
Hi Jim,
Welcome Aboard... as you can see, there are a lot of PW guys here
and your help is greatly appreciated. There is so much history
that was lost to time and any help provided is always welcome!:thumbup:

Great PW Solaz!:thumbup1:

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Discussion Starter · #46 ·
Actually, I've several. But here are a couple to whet your appetites!

Waltham Ball ORRS; 1923

Hamilton 992b; ~1940 - My grandfather's watch


Great entrance Mac! Welcome to the American Forum...

Relax, look around, and stop by anytime!

Thanks for sharing!

And cszwed... Great Patek too!:thumbup1:

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Discussion Starter · #51 ·
WOW Jerry!

This is one of my favorite factory-cased watches. It is an Illinois grade 439 from 1920. It is a 12-size thin-model dress watch. The case has nice enamel accents on the bezel and back and it has a fine silver dial with enameled numbers and other details.

The enamel work on that PW is Incredible!!!!

Thanks so much for sharing with the gang!:thumbup:

Illinois made some very cool enamel wrist watches... I will post some soon.


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Wren has really some nice ladies Illinois,
but she is traveling this week.
I am sure she will post some of them when she gets back!:thumbup1:

That is a very cool diagram you posted there!

I think it is very nice to see the sizes all put out to see!

Thanks Jerry!

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Discussion Starter · #57 ·
Beauty U

Welcome to the American U...

That is a super heirloom...

The dial looks original and is kinda cool just like it is...

Love the photo inside.

Stop by anytime and say hello:thumbup:

Thanks for sharing.

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Oh Boy!

What a beauty...

Super clean dial and really nice movement.

The case has a cool design as well.

I was down in Haiti and it is STILL a mess.

Thanks so much for sharing that fantastic PW:thumbup1:

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Discussion Starter · #63 ·
Fantastic Pockets Guys!

Hey U,
I see the opening at "1" for the setting lever on the case, but I don't see the little lever? How it it set?

Jerry... 53!!!
Wow, that is RARE!

I love the silver around the "Sub 6" area.

Thanks guys for some more great PW's:thumbup:

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That dial is really interesting...
The words look almost "hand done"
I like the clean style and simplicity of it very much.

The shape of that bridge on the movement is awesome.
(reverse question mark shape)
I have never seen that one before... fantastic.

Keep em coming!!!:thumbup:

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Time to wear a different watch. This one is a 12-size Elgin from around 1903. It is a 19-jewel grade 193. The grade 193 was the third best Elgin movement in 12-size at the time and sold for about $61 in 1905. Some of this grade were also finished as a named "B.W. Raymond" equivalent to the grade 193. Benjamin W. Raymond was one of the founders, and first president, of the National Watch Co. in Elgin, Illinois, which became the Elgin National Watch Co. This particular movement happens to be custom marked for the respected jeweler, John Wanamaker of Philadelphia. I acquired it as a movement and it has been re-cased in a simple Swiss gunmetal case.

10852684f by JTreiman, on Flickr

10852684m by JTreiman, on Flickr

I particularly like the raised gold, nicely cupped jewel settings. The train wheels have a polished gold finish and it has a steel escape wheel. The balance screws are all gold.

10852684mdt by JTreiman, on Flickr
That is Beautiful Jerry... LOVE the cupped jewel settings... real GOLD!

Average new home, $3000
Ford Model F, $1200

RJ007 - it's there, just hiding in the shadows...

Jerry - that "53" is sweet!

U... There is is!
I was wondering where it was hiding... great Photo!

Thanks for sharing that Beauty!:001_tt1:

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thats beautiful,there was 1 like it ,the csae anyway I dont know if it was an Appleton and tracy,on ebay in England the guy has some great gold pockets he goes by friday something I can find it if you like
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