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Ok guys,
you're the pros, I need help. I have a brand new "Z" series TT Sub with a warranty card, I bought it on the gray market. I took it to my local AD just to have them look at it and they said it looks fine but that they can't do a full authenticity check witout sending it to RSC. Don't really want to do that but might have to. Especially since I put it side by side with one of their "Z" series TT Subs and the shade of blue is off. mine lighter, not as deep blue as theirs. Should I be worried? Do the colors vary? Doesn't sound like Rolex to have two different shades?

I did contact the resellar I bought it from and he said he's never heard of that before and that if I'm worried to send it to RSC to have the face plate replaced? Totally confused now, totally
 

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I Have seen it discussed on the forums before!, and apparently this IS the case

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If any old threads pop into your mind feel free to PM them to me will ya? thanks. It's amazing that you all know this but AD's seem to be clueless
 

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I got a 'Pepsi' bezel fitted to my 1991 GMT (red-black originally) and the blue is quite dark, almost indigo compared to some which look almost cobalt. A newer replacement could be different due to differences in materials or production techniques, so if your watch is older, the new Sub could be naturally darker.
Good luck with your quest!
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Wantonebad,

Do you have a Rolex dealer with a watchmaker onsite in your area? If so have them pop the back off. If you're worried about authenticity, if the movement is Rolex I'd doubt it's a fake. It's unlikely they'd go thru the trouble of putting a Rolex movement into a watch with fake parts. To the best of my knowledge I've never seen a fake no matter how 'good' it is duplicate the Rolex movement decorations. Plus, it's a fairly unique look the base ETA's they use just can't duplicate.

Keep in mind if you send it to Rolex & it is fake you probably won't get it back.

regarding the blue issue, I have heard many times that they vary. It's not so much a designed variation but more due to the uniqueness of the blue & it's coloring I'd imagine. I've even seen 2 brand new ones in a store case that didn't look exactly the same. Alot of it is angles though too... Unless you're looking at the 2 watches at the exact same angle you're probably going to get a different hue.. One of the things that makes that dial soooo nice!
 

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Wantonebad,

Do you have a Rolex dealer with a watchmaker onsite in your area? If so have them pop the back off. If you're worried about authenticity, if the movement is Rolex I'd doubt it's a fake. It's unlikely they'd go thru the trouble of putting a Rolex movement into a watch with fake parts. To the best of my knowledge I've never seen a fake no matter how 'good' it is duplicate the Rolex movement decorations. Plus, it's a fairly unique look the base ETA's they use just can't duplicate.

Keep in mind if you send it to Rolex & it is fake you probably won't get it back.

regarding the blue issue, I have heard many times that they vary. It's not so much a designed variation but more due to the uniqueness of the blue & it's coloring I'd imagine. I've even seen 2 brand new ones in a store case that didn't look exactly the same. Alot of it is angles though too... Unless you're looking at the 2 watches at the exact same angle you're probably going to get a different hue.. One of the things that makes that dial soooo nice!
Thanks Scott,
No AD will authenicate my watch until Feb, they've offered to send it to RSC for a charge but that's it, they all claim to be too busy with the holiday season so I'm out of luck for now.

But thanks guys for your input I appreciate it!
 

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Wantonebad,

There have been reports of some variation in the blue dial color. That in and of its self isn't a sure-tale sign. Some lots are slightly different and the watch's exposure to different types of light before you got it (with full sunlight more so than others) can change it subtly.

Is the bezel rotation "feel" the same as at your local AD? I can't see that you've posted any pics of yours. Look closely at your crown guards. Are they exactly the same as at your local AD?

The reason I ask is that I'm in Korea now and imitation Subs are a dime a dozen. The fakers do an astonishing job capturing the details. But even the best I have seen don't replicate the nuanced feel of a real Sub's bezel rotation. Also, for some reason one of the hardest things for the fakers to copy perfectly are the crown guards. They have an extremely hard time get the proportions and correct shape right across the X, Y, and Z planes.

You're probably in good shape. Most Rolex ADs I visit don't have watchmakers on site. They are more of a Jewelry store than a proper watch retailer. They hesitate to take the caseback off and much prefer to let the specialists at the RSC take any risk.
 

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The newer TT Subs have a lighter shade. Some Z series have the older darker shade and I for one prefer that! BTW does your TT have the CRB engraving?
 

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The newer TT Subs have a lighter shade. Some Z series have the older darker shade and I for one prefer that! BTW does your TT have the CRB engraving?
No, it does not have the CRB engraving, just the lighter color blue, I got the worst of both worlds.

Wantonebad,

There have been reports of some variation in the blue dial color. That in and of its self isn't a sure-tale sign. Some lots are slightly different and the watch's exposure to different types of light before you got it (with full sunlight more so than others) can change it subtly.

Is the bezel rotation "feel" the same as at your local AD? I can't see that you've posted any pics of yours. Look closely at your crown guards. Are they exactly the same as at your local AD?

The reason I ask is that I'm in Korea now and imitation Subs are a dime a dozen. The fakers do an astonishing job capturing the details. But even the best I have seen don't replicate the nuanced feel of a real Sub's bezel rotation. Also, for some reason one of the hardest things for the fakers to copy perfectly are the crown guards. They have an extremely hard time get the proportions and correct shape right across the X, Y, and Z planes.

You're probably in good shape. Most Rolex ADs I visit don't have watchmakers on site. They are more of a Jewelry store than a proper watch retailer. They hesitate to take the caseback off and much prefer to let the specialists at the RSC take any risk.
Thanks BV!!

Yeah the AD's I've been to have most definitely been more jewlery then watch specialists but the manager of one AD (been selling Rolex for 20 years)said that everything looked authentic to her, it was just the shade of blue that was throwing her off? Everything else matched up perfectly to their watches so I'm fairly sure this is authentic. Just wish i could get proof alread :laugh:

Thanks guys I apreciate your help!!
 
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